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“Why We Lost,” A General’s Account of Two Wars, by Daniel Bolger

Sun, 01/04/2015 - 2:17pm

“Why We Lost,” A General’s Account of Two Wars, by Daniel Bolger. Washington Post book review by Carter Malkasian.

No U.S. general has criticized the Iraq and Afghanistan wars more sharply than retired Lt. Gen. Daniel P. Bolger. “Why We Lost” is neither a memoir nor a window into private meetings and secret discussions. It is a 500-page history (including prologue and endnotes) filled with heartfelt stories of soldiers and Marines in firefights and close combat. It weighs in mightily to the ongoing debate over how the United States should wage war.

Bolger served in Iraq from 2005 to 2006 as the officer in charge of training the Iraqi army, and then from 2009 to 2010 as commanding general of the 1st Cavalry Division. After that, from 2011 to 2013, he led the U.S.-NATO mission training the Afghan army and police. He holds a doctorate in history and has written several military histories. His prose flows. He speaks his mind, comparing himself to Gen. Joseph “Vinegar Joe” Stilwell of World War II fame, who was known for his coarse personality…

Read on.

Comments

RantCorp

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 8:05am

In reply to by Outlaw 09

Outlaw,

One of the purported reasons why the KSA funded the Pak nuclear program was to acquire an insurance/deterrence for the scenario you are alluding to. If an Iranian (re Shia) Army threatens the KSA the Ayatollahs will find themselves fighting off a nuclear armed Pak Army along their 800 km eastern border.

They wouldn't stand a chance - unless of course they have their own nukes!

I can't for the life of me understand why so many of our political leaders keep saying the war is over. Leaving Plato out of it, from what I can see the real war is yet to start and we should be doubling our efforts to keep it that way!

RC

Outlaw 09

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 6:49am

The KSA aside we still are forgetting the 1000 pound bear in the room---Iran and their drive to control the entire Green Crescent from AFG to Lebanon.

Still looking for that elusive US Syrian/Iraqi strategy---and we are supporting "who" again in the fight against IS?

Was nice to see the US supplied Abram tank driving in Iraq with a Hezbollah flag draped on it.

#Iraq Iraqi Parliament member tells Lindsey Snell #Shia Militias are no better than #ISIS
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thedrosophil

Wed, 01/14/2015 - 8:08am

In reply to by RantCorp

RantCorp: I'm with Bill M. (if I remember correctly) on this one. I think that the fixation on "centers of gravity" is overly formulaic and not very productive in discussing these issues. Do I acknowledge that decades upon decades of Saudi proliferation of Wahhabism contributes to regional instability, to include inspiring some terrorists? Perhaps. However, I acknowledge that they do so in an effort to safeguard their own best interest against their hostile neighbor across the Gulf, which is an adamantly non-Wahhabist regime that happens to be the world's most prolific sponsor of international terrorism. Realizing that "centers of gravity" are a Clausewitzian tool for understanding warfare, DoD doctrine has divorced them from the wider context to the point that they're not particularly useful for discussing the issues at hand.

RantCorp

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 2:09am

Thed,

Forgive me but you missed my simple question as to the COG of the problem.

IMO in a 'war of words' it's best to take CvC's advice and first 'understand the kind of war on which they are embarking' otherwise we're just making what another man called 'noise'.

In 30 years of dealing with JJs from a dozen different nationalities I found the energy produced by the desire for revolution against the ruling elite of the KSA the 800 pound gorilla in their emotive mind-set - especially the Arabs.

Many folks hold different opinions to my own and I respect that but I am at a loss if this grievance does not drive any debate concerned with the political violence across the region.

Regards,
RC

Move Forward

Sat, 01/24/2015 - 1:15am

In reply to by thedrosophil

Sorry, I was out of town when you wrote your response. Like everything you write, a lot makes sense, and we agree on many things. I'm also hesitant to question you on an area of history you obviously know so much about. But here are a few areas where your comparison fails in <strong>scale</strong>.
<blockquote>While I didn't include the discussion in the materials you've seen, I've done some research and comparisons with respect to the populations in Dhofar and Anbar/Helmand and how that correlates to force strength (I mentioned commensurate force strength as one of my principles in an earlier comment). I think you overstate how widespread the insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq were - both were fairly localized at the outset, and there have been areas of both countries that have been largely immune from violence (e.g. Balkh Province in Afghanistan and Kurdistan in Iraq). <strong>I believe that part of the reason why our results in Afghanistan and Iraq have been so mixed is that the troop-to-local ratio outlined in FM 3-24 wasn't adhered to</strong> - the British contingent in Helmand being a good example of this,</blockquote>
I noted your comments about the relative sizes in area and population elsewhere, but you did not really address that issue in your response. If Helmand province had 1.4 million people in over 1000 villages that is an entirely different <strong>scale</strong> than an equal area Dhofar with 50,000 folks in far fewer towns. It was easier to cover far fewer urban areas with the Sultan's 10,000 forces, 1,800 irregulars, 4000 Iranian troops, and 500 British SAS. With smaller forces, 12 helicopters may have sufficed for attack, transport, MEDEVAC, and logistical support. Twelve helos wouldn't have been close to enough in Helmand or Anbar.

Likewise, Anbar had between 1.2 and 2 million people dependent on the source and supposedly 95% of those lived close to the Euphrates river. Obviously, that is an entirely different scale of challenge in terms of urban combat.

In the quote above I bolded your mention of the "troop-to-local ratio" in manpower in the previous FM 3-24. That ratio no longer exists in the current revised version. Perhaps one reason for that is that Helmand province would have required 70,000 troops to meet the cited ratio of 1 per 20. The most it ever had was 27,000 in July 2010 plus 8,000 ANA which totals just 35,000 troops or half the earlier FM 3-24 cited quantity. Anbar likewise would have needed 60,000-100,000 troops alone which it actually came close to in 2008 (including Iraqi Army and Awakening forces). We do agree that quantity has a quality all its own in terms of boots on the ground. Look at how few troops we are trying to use to quell current ISIS problems. If 95% of ISIS fighters in Iraq are near towns along the Euphrates (and Tigris) to mirror the population, you can see where limited air attacks now could have problems in terms of civilian casualties and lack of effectiveness.

You mention the Hornbeam line which was apparently only 53 kms in length and had concertina, mines, and outposts. Contrast that with the mountainous AfPak border which is far larger and a constant source of Taliban and al Qaeda infiltration. The Syrian border was equally pourous and large along Anbar province. Obviously, the U.S. was not going to use mines like the Brits did back then. The elevated nature of many passes would have required enormously costly and difficult helicopter resupply of COPs to duplicate the "Hornbeam line" in Afghanistan.

Much of your discussion cites differences between the Oman of today, 1984 when the Marine Major wrote his study and the 60s-70s of the Dhofar rebellion. But that simply reinforces my contention that historical analogies are inherently flawed because things change over time. The Afghanistan of the 60s in Helmand province called "Little America" obviously was a different Afghanistan than the Soviets faced, and once again a different Afghanistan over time while we have been there.

Contrast Soviet casualties of 14,000 dead in Afghanistan to ours that are a fraction of that quantity. Then look at casualties of the Dhofar rebellion which were in the teens for British forces, low hundreds for Oman's SAF, and surprisingly high for Iranian forces. You probably have the more accurate numbers than Wikipedia but no doubt will agree that the scale is not comparable to either Helmand or Anbar coalition casualties. And given the far larger coalition and insurgent size in both provinces you would have expected even greater casualties than we experienced so apparently something our troops did was successful.

And even if you cite better port facilities in Iraq (and Kuwait) you are not adequately addressing the far larger road march distance to reach our troops in both conflicts. IEDs killed over half our troops and securing those convoys was not about getting luxuries to our troops. It was about necessities like food, water, fuel, and ammunition. That challenge passing through dangerous territory to reach far larger troop numbers was not the same scale as Dhofar.

Finally, as in Vietnam, if we had fought in Dhofar today, our carriers and other ships and bases could have pummeled insurgents to a far greater extent than was possible from sea-basing alone against Iraq or Afghanistan. The distance inland from the Oman's shore was not far. USAF airlift of MRAPs, troops, supply airdrops, and the aerial refueling challenge would have been simplified with less overland distance once crossing Oman's shore.

I think your assessment that the insurgency was limited initially in both Iraq and Afghanistan also is flawed. Lots of Sunnis were involved in many areas, and many were urban nightmares. Sure the Kurd areas were less involved but that still leaves many millions of angry Sunnis and Shiites elsewhere compared to the 50,000 population of Dhofar. Afghanistan similarly was not a pleasant place anywhere where the Taliban had previously been in largely Pashtun areas. Those overall areas and populations where insurgencies were occurring were far larger in scale than Dhofar or all of Oman whose population at the time was only one million overall.

thedrosophil

Wed, 01/14/2015 - 1:11pm

In reply to by Move Forward

Move Forward: Thanks for your response and challenge.

I want to clarify that I don't disagree that the Saudi proclivity for proliferating Wahhabism has had some obvious unintended consequences in the long-term, but beyond your observations about basing facilities and oil, I think it's also important to once again point out that the Saudi government (roughly synonymous with the House of Saud, though there's some gray area) didn't sponsor 9/11, so punishing them with a punitive raid or an attempted palace coup would have been hitting the wrong target. Doing a root cause analysis and applying diplomatic pressure to get them to alter their methods of promoting Wahhabism would have been (and I think <I>are</I>, as I believe this has happened) a better approach. Let us not forget that since 9/11, the Saudis have implemented programs that have been fairly effective at re-indoctrinating former malcontents and pulling them away from terrorism. I also think you're off base on your accusations about the Saudis and U.S. frackers - I'm not saying that that's not part of their overall goal, but there's a lot more going on strategically than that, particularly targeting Iran, Russia, and ISIS/DAESH. I wrote a lengthy article on that topic last month and would be glad to give you the link if you'd like.

With respect to your comments on Dhofar:

- While I didn't include the discussion in the materials you've seen, I've done some research and comparisons with respect to the populations in Dhofar and Anbar/Helmand and how that correlates to force strength (I mentioned commensurate force strength as one of my principles in an earlier comment). I think you overstate how widespread the insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq were - both were fairly localized at the outset, and there have been areas of both countries that have been largely immune from violence (e.g. Balkh Province in Afghanistan and Kurdistan in Iraq). I believe that part of the reason why our results in Afghanistan and Iraq have been so mixed is that the troop-to-local ratio outlined in FM 3-24 wasn't adhered to - the British contingent in Helmand being a good example of this, and <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQFLsfS4BGc
">this interview by the KCL Department of War Studies</A> with retired British Lieutenant General Jonathon Riley features a good discussion of that. I would also counter with your observation about the localization of the insurgency to Dhofar by pointing out that that wasn't an accident, the insurgency remained localized because the COIN force in Dhofar did a far better job of restricting insurgent maneuver and logistics through the use of several <I>cordons sanitaires</I> than ISAF or MNF-I have done. Most notable of these were the Hornbeam and Damavand lines, which made it virtually impossible for the PFLO(AG) to move freely through the jebel; the comparison between this and the porous Afghan and Iraqi borders should be obvious. So, I maintain that the comparison is only made invalid by years of poor operational planning and execution on the parts of ISAF and MNF-I.

- I simply disagree with your assessment of the logistical differences between Dhofar, Afghanistan, and Iraq - if anything, the logistical challenges in Dhofar were <I>worse</I> on balance than its modern corollaries. In 1970, Salalah basically had one pier and one British guy supervising some locals to operate it; Iraq's port facilities in 2003 were far better developed. There are obviously some logistical challenges for land-locked Afghanistan, but its transit links with its neighbors are much better than anything that was in place anywhere in Oman in 1970. Many troops in Afghanistan (and Iraq before) have access to post exchanges, fast food, and MWR provisions that even the troops at RAF Salalah would never have dreamed of - to the degree that one of the few things General McChrystal did correctly was to enforce a short-lived moratorium on fast food purveyors on the grounds that "<A HREF="http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703610604576158610111737164… is a war zone, not an amusement park</A>". The SAF <A HREF="http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2007/R3749.pdf">never operated more than twelve helicopters at a time</A>, roughly equivalent to a single Marine medium helicopter squadron (although this was later supplemented by the Imperial Iranian Air Force), which were used for both combat operations and for resupplying positions that were roughly analagous to positions such as COP Keating or OP Restrepo, though possibly more austere. These were supplemented with pack animal trains, which are also used in Afghanistan. (<A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/In-Service-Sultan-Account-Insurgency/dp/184415467… the Service of the Sultan</A> by Ian Gardiner describes some of these logistics operations; his descriptions actually seem very similar to what I've read about Afghanistan). The COIN force in Dhofar lived consistently with FM 3-24 paragraph 8-13, which warns against "logistic postures that project an image of unduly luxurious living". I think one would be hard pressed to argue that the logistical footprint in Afghanistan or Iraq reflects FM 3-24. ISAF and MNF-I have also enjoyed better provisions for fixed and rotary wing heavy airlift than was ever available in Dhofar, as well as a much bigger budget than Oman's modest and nascent energy income or Britain's withdrawal from "<A HREF="https://www.rusi.org/publications/other/ref:N517AA8D59D1B3/">East of Suez</A>" would have ever allowed.

- Major Cheney's study was one of my sources, and while valuable, some of his observations that you cite reflect the state of Oman nearly a decade after the Dhofar War's end, not the conditions on the ground when it began. In 1970, Oman had just begun pumping oil, and its energy resources are modest compared to those of its neighbors. Major Cheney's study also cites the Saudi support for the insurgents, but doesn't reflect that the Saudis <A HREF="http://countrystudies.us/persian-gulf-states/62.htm">reversed sides</A> as a counter to Iranian participation in the campaign in support of the Omani government. There are several good books on the campaign, but the best I've read is the aforementioned one by Ian Gardiner.

- The Ibadhis are moderate <I>now</I>. In Wilfred Thesiger's classic <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Arabian-Penguin-Classics-Wilfred-Thesiger/dp/0141… Sands</A>, he discusses having to claim to be a Syrian owing to threats against "The Christian" by the Ibadhi Imam, who had repeatedly clashed the Sultan. Ibadhis and Sunnis have fought one another in the past over religious differences. There are also some ethnic, cultural, and political faults between the residents of what were once known as Dhofar, Oman proper (the interior), and Muscat (the coastline) that aren't reflected by Major Cheney's paper, and which were occasionally violent. Your understanding of the Omani-Iranian relationship is also lacking, as the countries remain close and conduct military drills together. I wouldn't rule out Iranian support in Oman post-1979, though I doubt that the need will arise. Oman has traditionally been the "Switzerland" of the GCC, for lack of a better term, and has repeatedly served as a diplomatic middle-man between the West and Iran. While the sectarian divide is real, both pre- and post-Revolutionary Iran have been willing to collaborate with traditional rivals when doing so serves their own interest.

- Your assessment of Oman, re: urban areas, desert terrain, et cetera is accurate for 1984 or 2015, but out of context for 1970. Oman has been utterly transformed since 1970, so Major Cheney's assessment and some of the other statistics you cited do not accurately reflect the state of affairs during the Dhofar War. To read some of the descriptions of Thesiger, or Gardiner, or also <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/SAS-Other-Animals-Experiences-During-ebook/dp/B00… Higgins</A> (and potentially <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Warlords-Oman-P-S-Allfree-ebook/dp/B00JZB8W9G/">P…. Allfree</A>, though I'm only partly into his book), one would be forgiven for assuming that they were, in fact, referring to Helmand. And again, the insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq were initially localized, as was the one in Dhofar, but I maintain that the former cases spread because of poor operational planning and execution by ISAF and MNF-I.

- Again, your comparison of the Omani, Afghan, and Iraqi economies once again reflect the Oman/Dhofar of 1984 or 2015, rather than that of 1970. One such example: the British advisors determined quickly that one of the five key lines of effort needed to be a veterinary program because the Dhofari economy was entirely contingent upon livestock. (Higgins' book, linked to above, describes this in detail; Major General Tony Jeapes <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/SAS-Secret-Operation-Storm-Middle/dp/1853675679/"…; also describes "Operation Taurus", a "Texan-style cattle drive" precipitated by the firqat militias' refusal to keep fighting until the SAF helped them to move their livestock to Salalah for sale. Afghanistan's long-term economic prospects might be more modest than those of Oman, but with Afghanistan's mineral resources and agricultural potential (<A HREF="www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30246121‎">pomegranates</A>, <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13806062‎">saffron</A>, <A HREF="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/13/afghanistan">wheat</A&gt;, and even poppies cultivated for legitimate pharmaceutical use have all been suggested as cash crops), I would suggest that this is down to mismanagement, rather than representing a fundamental difference that undermines the Dhofar comparison.

- With respect to your observation about the Sultans, you overstate the role of the SAS (I say this because a retired Royal Marines Brigadier and Dhofar veteran read my dissertation, and his only correction was that <I>I</I> had overstated their role). You rightly identify that the nature of the insurgency shifted in 1970, and in fact this was one of the <I>catalysts</I> for the palace coup, rather than its result - if anything this is a long term, dare I say <I>strategic</I>, best practice that contrasts between Dhofar on the one hand, and Afghanistan or Iraq on the other. You also neglect to mention that the Dhofari insurgency gained steam in 1970 after the British withdrawal from Aden, the announced withdrawal from Bahrain and the rest of the region "East of Suez", and the ensuing establishment of the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, which sponsored the PFLO(AG) with Communist Bloc support. I would suggest that the policies of the British and other Western states to <A HREF="http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28896860">train and mentor royals like Sultan Qaboos</A> are part of why the Gulf monarchies have been relatively stable in recent decades. One of the reasons why Egypt has weathered the Arab Spring better than it could have is that the United States has maintained relationships with the ruling military government for decades, particularly since the Camp David Accords. As such, this is a contrast that we should be taking as a <I>lesson</I> from Dhofar, rather using it as an excuse to dismiss Dhofar as a relevant example.

- You're correct that there were no coups in Afghanistan or Iraq, and that the Dhofari rebels were communists, not radical Muslim extremists. You're absolutely right: all insurgencies are different. I would once again counter that about half of FM 3-24 consists of examples from Vietnam, and many leaders to include President Bush himself read about the Algerian War around 2004/'05. Differences in ideology between communists and Islamists matter, but that doesn't preclude them from employing the same methodologies. I think that if you were to read Mao or Guevara (though I don't know why you'd bother with Guevara), you'd find a lot of similarities between their writings and the writings and methods of a Zarqawi, or a Mullah Omar, or an al Baghdadi. And when you figure that the COIN campaign in Dhofar produced a favorable result and a lasting political solution, as opposed to the results we've seen in Iraq and are bracing for in Afghanistan, I'm not sure that there's so much room for derision. Rather, it would be nice to hear someone saying, "How can we scale this kind of regional success up to the national level?"

Any more specific than that, and I'm afraid you'll have to wait until at least late 2016, at which point I hope to have a book ready to publish. Of course, I say that partly in jest, as I'd be happy to continue discussing some of these individual points with you if you have further thoughts on the matter.

Move Forward

Sat, 01/10/2015 - 10:15pm

Thed,

I've enjoyed the exchange between you and Rant with both of you making good points. Methinks Rant probably has it right in citing that many Saudis are the source of many wars and terror incidents over the past several decades. However, agree with you that a punitive raid on KSA would have been inappropriate after 9/11, both because it would have prevented us from using KSA facilities during OIF and it likely would have been catastrophic from an oil export perspective. We see the Saudis today attempting to bankrupt U.S. frackers through their own over-production at a cost to them of about $2 a barrel. What would they have done to curtail oil exports driving the price the other direction if we had attacked them for seemingly an inappropriate reason.

But you continue that our COIN TTP in Iraq or Afghanistan were flawed. You repeatedly mention Dhofar and other historical insurgencies. Rather than disrupt your comments regarding COL Collin's article, let me make my case here that the Dhofar Rebellion was nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan.

* Believe you mentioned elsewhere that Dhofar was about the size of Anbar and Helmand provinces. Anbar has nearly two million Iraqis while Helmand has 1.4 million Afghans. A Marine Major's 1984 study cited a Dhofar population back then of 50,000 and an Oman-wide population of only one million. Was the rest of Oman involved in the insurgency or just Dhofar? We certainly know the insurgencies were widespread in both Iraq and Afghanistan. This alone coupled with the respective sizes of the military forces involved renders the comparison invalid.

* Dhofar and Oman in general have over 2000 kms of sea access which means that any resupply of COIN forces was vastly simplified compared to getting items and forces to Anbar or Helmand provinces. Air attacks from the sea and ports were available close to the fighting. This does not apply to most of Iraq or any of Afghanistan.

* Oman has oil and its GDP today is 65th compared to Iraq's 47 and Afghanistan's inflated 107 due to our presence. It could afford a large military yet at the time of the Marine Major's study it had only about 15,000 land forces which is many times smaller than Iraq's or Afghanistan's security forces. They also were facing an insurgent force many times smaller with a casualty rate a fraction of our conflicts. Yes the Saudis were helping the insurgents, but so were the Chinese and Russians and communist influence was the larger threat given the strategic location of Oman.

* Oman has no large Sunni/Shiite divide and nearly all are of the moderate Ibadi school of Muslim. The Dhofar rebellion was not about religious differences but instead had communist influences and direct Soviet and Chinese support. The Iranians actually were assisting the Sultan as this was pre-1979. I doubt they would assist them today under their current theocracy.

* 73.4% of today's 4 million Omanis live in urban areas and given the desert terrain of 80% of the land, it probably was not much different back then. Oman cities are quite modern compared to Afghanistan and many if not most our coastal cities. Not the same in Helmand and Anbar. Afghanistan and Helmand and Anbar provinces are far less urban (although admittedly Iraq as a whole is). It was not an Oman-wide insurgency unlike both Iraq and Afghanistan where Texas-sized territories had large insurgency issues.

* Of the four million Omanis <strong>today</strong> only slightly more than half are Omani while the remaining 1.7 million are expatriot laborers. There was oil production even at the time of the Dhofar rebellion as guerilla actions attacked those facilities. That implies a GDP based on actual oil production and trade vs. a largely-poppy based GDP in Afghanistan and a lack of opportunity in Anbar. That is unlike Iraq and Afghanistan as whole which have 20-30 million people in each.

* The original Sultan in power in 1962 was not replaced by his son until the coup of July 1970. So in effect half the rebellion differed from the other half. There was no "surge" until the son took power. The son was Sandhurst trained which would indicate an instant affinity to military matters and a British connection that no doubt helped him secure British SAS support immediately after the coup.

* There was no coup in Iraq or Afghanistan. A repressive leader was not the <strong>original</strong> source of either current U.S.-involved insurgency although admittedly the poor policies of al-Maliki and Karzai probably helped keep insurgencies going. The Shiites and Kurds no doubt were fighting Saddam Hussein and the Northern Alliance fought the Taliban but obviously neither were making any progress until we attacked by air, land, and sea. The Sultan father was very repressive and villages were burned and wells concreted over or blown up under his rule to attempt to stop the rebellion. No wonder they rebelled. By 1970 much of the Jebel were communists due to his policies...not radical Muslim extremists.

What are your arguments that the Dhofar rebellion could have in any way been a model for how to fight using a COIN strategy/tactic in Iraq and Afghanistan?

I am bringing some of COL Jones' thoughts -- in his comments well below -- to the top of the page here so that we might, hopefully, discuss them further. Here is the excerpt:

"Were most of the 9/11 attackers Saudi citizens? Absolutely. But equally absolutely they were also nationalist insurgents whose primary motivation in life was to take down the house of Saud. They simply bought into bin Laden's message: You can't succeed in your nationalist goals of taking down corrupt regimes at home, unless you first help us to break the will of the US government to protect same."

To these thoughts by COL Jones, let me ask this question: Take down the house of Saud to what end?

As to this question, consider the following answer:

So as to throw out Western influence, power and control in the region and to, thereby, contain, roll back and reverse Western efforts to transform Islamic states and their societies more along modern western lines.

Herein, to correctly understand "the primary motivation in life" of bin Laden, those of his ilk and the populations that support same. And to correctly understand what the term "corruption," that COL Jones uses in his last sentence above, actually means to these people.

In this same light (them: to throw out and reverse Western "corrupting" influence, power and control; the US: via "transformation," to continue to have -- and expand upon -- such influence, power and control) to understand:

a. The appeal of bin Laden (et al's) message to the hearts and minds of the Islamic populations -- in KSA -- and elsewhere within the Islamic world?

b. The (comparative) lack of appeal of our opposite/opposed message? And

c.. Why we would, post-9/11, go after bin Laden, his like-minded landlord and followers (and Saddam Hussein?) and not go after the house of Saud and those similar rulers that we had more "in our pocket?"

Bottom line:

a. The goal (and therefore the conflict) to be considered not in "nationalistic" terms (only a means to the end) but, rather, in cultural/civilizational terms (and, thus, in terms of power, influence and control); both for "us" and for "them?"

b. These such matters (which are in such sharp contrast to our "universal values" vision) to be taken into proper consideration re: "why we lost?"

What seems to be missing from COL Jones and RantCorps' discussion/analysis below is our (the United States') overriding and enduring political objective.

Thus, the questions: Would/will lesser measures (example: "punitive expeditions") help to transform the Middle East more along modern western political, economic and social lines? This, in sufficient time, for example, to prevent another 9/11, or to prevent the use of WMD against ourselves, our allies and/or our other interests?

Within the context of our such concerns -- and our overriding/enduring political objective said to be related thereto -- to understand, for example, why our recent actions/activities were directed against:

a. The political, economic and social make-up of the states and societies of the Middle East? And not, as it were, against

b. The "Wahhabi fruitcake" or "Florida, California, England, France and Germany?"

Herein, the "sins of Afghanistan and Iraq" (et al) to be understood:

a. More in terms of their contrary (non-western) political, economic and social make-up.

b. And less in terms of the common, overall and general problems (genocide, terrorism, insurgency, etc., etc., etc.) which are thought to emanate therefrom.

Thus, our actions at state and societal transformation were said to be directed -- not at the "results" or the "symptoms" of the problem -- but, rather, at its perceived "root cause."

(The Marines in Tripoli having no such similar mission?)

Back now to "why we lost:"

Herein -- and again in consideration of both (1) our concerns and (2) our overriding/enduring political objective which is said to be related thereto -- to ask did we:

a. Go about it (state and societal transformation -- on a grand scale) the wrong way (ex: regime change; invasion; nation-building COIN, etc.)? And/or did we:

b. Simply fail to appropriate and devote the necessary resources (time, blood, political capital, money, etc.) needed to get the job (fundamental, complete and comprehensive state and societal transformation) done?

Outlaw 09

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 8:56am

We lost because we the failed to "see and understand" and yet we claimed to have a strategy--still looking for one in this current Iraq round.

BUT we did claim at one time to have a redline in the sand on the use of chemical weapons by Assad but then again all it was was words.

Eliot Higgins @EliotHiggins
Playlist of videos from the first reported chlorine barrel bomb attack in Kafr Zita, Hama on April 11th 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDHqQIZsDM&list=PLPC0Udeof3T7yySO0dNQ2…

Assad is still dropping chemical barrel bombs and yet our response is again what?

New OPCW report reiterates usage of chlorine gas to target civilians in #Syria:

http://www.ibtimes.com/syria-chemical-weapons-new-opcw-report-reiterate…

Bill C.

Thu, 01/08/2015 - 7:01pm

In reply to by RantCorp

The theory or fact that:

a. The House of Saud,

b. Sponsors the extreme element of Wahhabi,

c. So as deflect the green eye of envy and appear pious;

d. This, so as to preclude/confuse/defuse rebellion and regime change,

e. Which would otherwise occur without such sponsorship.

This theory or fact would, indeed, seem to explain why the House of Saud might, under normal circumstances, have been the target of the United States' retribution after 9/11; much as was the case with the Taliban, in Afghanistan, who had housed bin Laden.

This theory, however, does not explain why the House of Saud -- in spite of this known relationship/sponsorship -- was not targeted.

To understand why the House of Saud was not targeted, one could look to a number of possibilities, for example:

a. To maintain a balance of power vis-a-vis Iran?

b. To prevent the KSA from falling into the hands of those who would not ally themselves, much as the House of Saud has, with the United States? And/or

c. To prevent economic problems re: oil?

I am sure there are other reasons.

In sum, however, none of these problems/circumstances were present in Afghanistan and re: the Taliban and, thus, nothing stood in the way of our going after the regime there.

thedrosophil

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 4:51pm

In reply to by RantCorp

<BLOCKQUOTE>However, like Gen Bolger you are missing the point.</BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm reasonably sure that I'm not missing the point, I'm merely highlighting the factual errors in several of your observations.

RantCorp

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 1:18pm

In reply to by thedrosophil

Thed,

I should have said bloodless coup carried out by younger more reform-minded member of the House of Saud. And yes a punitive raid with the co-operation of Saudi Security would be best. But how likely is either?

However, like Gen Bolger you are missing the point. The simple question is do you believe the opposition to the monopoly on political , financial and religious power as exercised by the ruling elite of the KSA (Royalty and Commoner) is the COG of the political instability across the region?

The possibility that the same instability produced the young men responsible for those long dead on 9/11 is not important. It is those souls this revolutionary insurgency kills today, tomorrow and in the future that concerns me.

If you do not believe this absolute power in the heart of Islam is responsible then I have been wasting your time and I apologize for that.

You mentioned OBL again. I don't know what skills he mastered outside of PAK and AF but the military capabilities he developed in AF during the Soviet Occupation were non-existent. He did develop some skills after the Soviets left but I dare say murdering people sitting at an office desk was not the Desert Shield the House of Saud was hoping for in 1990-91.

thedrosophil

Fri, 01/09/2015 - 9:02am

In reply to by RantCorp

I'm sorry, sir, but you can't use the phrases "punitive raid", "if not the House of Saud directly then so near that it would seem it to be so", and "palace coup", and then try to claim that you're not discussing a hypothetical attack on the Saudi government in response to 9/11. The words "House of Saud" are synonymous with the political leadership of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. And while I agree that the course of events in 1990/'91 obviously confirmed the House of Saud's goal of self preservation (as well as common sense), that incident's role in motivating Osama bin Laden and his followers is not some insignificant detail that can be brushed aside on a whim. If you were advocating for punitive raids within Saudi borders in concert with Saudi security forces, that would be another matter entirely, but you're not. I repeat my earlier assertion: advocating for a punitive raid/palace coup/what have you against the House of Saud as a response to 9/11 is revisionist history and negligent oversimplification.

RantCorp

Thu, 01/08/2015 - 5:29pm

In reply to by thedrosophil

Thed,

If I were to say attack the USA would you interpret that to only mean the White House? Was not the attack on the WTC an attack upon the USA. If I flew a plane into the Pentagon, Disneyland, Yankee Stadium or the Golden Gate Bridge would you consider that someplace other than the USA.

An attack upon the UK would not be restricted to the Royal Family or would it?

The United Kingdom is not a reference restricted to members of the aristocracy and where they reside no more than the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a reference to the House of Saud and their palaces.

You mentioned OBL and his band of Muj - says nothing to me except a confirmation that the man had Messianic delusions. When 20 Iraqi divisions where advancing unopposed just up the road, choosing an Alliance of 750,000 strong over a few hundred fruitcake armed with AK 47s and RPGs reveals nothing but the House of Saud's desire for self-preservation.

RC

thedrosophil

Thu, 01/08/2015 - 4:29pm

In reply to by RantCorp

<BLOCKQUOTE>IMO a punitive raid that would have sent a message (the purpose of any punitive measure) that the US understood who was ultimately responsible for 9/11 would have had to target the KSA. If not the House of Saud directly then so near that it would seem it to be so. I know that was OBL's intention and he imagined himself as the returning prodigal son. As Savor he would restore the purity of ‘The Land of the Two Mosques ’ blah, blah, blah. But the mind boggles at an attempt to send the Marines in to raid Riyadh!

Needless to say on 9/12 any suggestion of a raid on Riyadh (even if irrefutable evidence justified it) would have been rightly shouted down as the appalling suggestion of a maniac. However 14 years, 5 trillion dollars, 7,000 KIA and 52,000 WIA later I’m not so sure who’d be wearing the straitjacket/s.

Not for a raid perhaps but certainly a palace coup. Even if it failed the message would have been loud and clear - we know who you are and we know where you live.</BLOCKQUOTE>

In these three paragraphs, you effectively attribute 9/11 to the Saudi royal family. Your clarification on their proliferation of Wahhabism (absent from your earlier post) is good, but ultimately irrelevant. You assert that any punitive raid targeting those who were ultimately responsible for 9/11 would have targeted the Saudi royal family. While acknowledging that the Saudi government's penchant for funding extremist Wahhabism beyond its borders certainly didn't help the situation, the motives behind 9/11 were many, and Saudi support for Wahhabism was only one contributor, and hardly a sole root cause. Furthermore, as others have noted along with me, 9/11 was one operation in a larger al Qaeda effort to overthrow the House of Saud, which bin Laden saw as apostate and/or corrupt and resented for having rejected his anti-Saddam mujahideen plan. As such, your suggestions mix revisionist history and negligent oversimplification. When you boil it down, your thesis isn't fundamentally different from advocating that a victim of identity theft be punished for that crime, rather than punishing the thief himself, on the grounds that the victim had a weak password/pin/what have you.

RantCorp

Thu, 01/08/2015 - 3:27pm

In reply to by thedrosophil

Thed wrote,

'A significant flaw in your logic is that 9/11 was not sponsored by the Saudi government'

Forgive me but am I to understand your assertion that I stated the Saudi govt did sponsor 9/11 or the opposite? The double negative throws me.

I'm assuming you meant the former and I reviewed my comment and failed to find any mention of the Govt of the KSA period nor any mention of the House of Saud involvement in 9/11.

So I'll try again.

What I was attempting to say was the House of Saud's monopoly on political, economic and religious control within the region breeds a powerful political dissidence within the KSA itself. This in turn fuels discord across the region; as far as Malaysia and Indonesia. Hundreds of millions of Muslims resent the conspicuous flaunting of obscene wealth that the 2000 odd House of Saud prince-lings insist on rubbing in the faces of Muslims, many of whom are the poorest people in the world.

The House of Saud is acutely aware of this and as such patronizes the extreme element of the Wahhabi in the hope that their bombastic religious zealotry will deflect the gaze of the green eye of envy and perhaps ease the House of Saud camel thru the eye of the proverbial needle. This relationship is meant cloak their hegemony in a veil of piety but by nature (as opposed to its outwardly character) it is a purely political alliance to maintain power and wealth for a select elite.

No surprise that 'power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely' and a plethora of usurpers has emerged who want a bigger piece of the pie. Perhaps some of the insurgent leadership come from within the House of Saud and we already know some are the offspring of the Saudi wealthy. However they intend to bring down the House Of Saud and replace it with one of their own - as recently stated by the latest Broadway Joe 'Caliph'. Thousands of young Saudis wish to join them and millions of Muslims across the globe wish to support them.

It was young men from within this group of politically dissatisfied that the 9/11 attackers emerged and it is the same political discord that continues to produce the energy for the individuals who wish us harm in the present day.

RC

thedrosophil

Thu, 01/08/2015 - 8:11am

In reply to by RantCorp

A significant flaw in your logic is that 9/11 was not sponsored by the Saudi government - in fact, many of your assertions are plainly revisionist history. Osama bin Laden famously attempted to sell the Saudi government on an Afghan mujahideen-style defense of Saudi Arabia against Iraq in 1990, and the Saudi government very sensibly told him to bugger off and instead allied itself with the most powerful military in the world. That, and the subsequent American presence in Saudi Arabia, were two of the more significant grievances expressed by bin Laden and, by extension, the 9/11 hijackers themselves. In fact, the reason why bin Laden and his entourage had ended up in Sudan and then back in AfPak was that the Saudis had expelled him, revoked his citizenship, and convinced his family to cut off his annual stipend by 1994. The idea that America would respond to 9/11 by launching a punitive strike against Saudi Arabia, as opposed to Afghanistan (where al Qaeda was actually enjoying sanctuary in '01) is ridiculous. Even assuming that one adopted Bill M.'s suggestion about holding nations accountable for the actions of their citizens, I still fail to see where 9/11 would have constituted <I>jus ad bellum</I> for punitive attacks against one of America's closest allies in the Middle East - legal action, perhaps, but not warfare.

Outlaw 09

Thu, 01/08/2015 - 10:02am

In reply to by Robert C. Jones

If one takes the time to read this article one just might come to the conclusion we truly do not know nor seem to care exactly what is ongoing in Iraq and or Syria.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-01-08/iranbacked-militias-ar…

Now Abrams tanks are driving in Iraq with Iranian militia flags draped on them and we fully understand just what the Shia militias are now doing in some of the recaptured Sunni villages and towns and we see key Iraqi government positions being passed even under the new regime to key former Iranian militia leaders and still the Iraqi government has not reached out to the Sunni tribes---AND yet we still persist as a government in "believing" we have everything under control.

By the way if one has seen photos of Russian Army uniformed Russian FSB troops recently released that are in Syria at a major tent base--do not think for a moment Syria is not tied to the Russian intervention in the Ukraine.

Military base of Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation in Syria http://vk.com/v.georgievich?z=photo227199578_319053776%2Fphotos227199578 … pic.twitter.com/NLnWaknFzH

Photos made by FSB of RU (KGB) guy on 12/18/2013 in Syria. He served in French Foreign Legion before, now in Ukraine.
pic.twitter.com/uhWetOmJ6E

Officer of Federal Security Service of Russia in #Syria http://vk.com/v.georgievich?z=photo227199578_317907419%2Fphotos227199578 … pic.twitter.com/CP1Kc2KKFo

We the US/NATO IS coalition has conducted over 3000 air strikes and just now the US is starting to say "well maybe some but only some civilians might have been killed" long after we stated here at SWJ it would happen and only under the pressure of bloggers releasing video after video is the US finally willing to look at the "possibility' that civilians are getting killed by the US/NATO air strikes. Just as the drone strikes create more fighters--the online IS videos of Sunni's being killed by US air strikes is a great recruiting tool.

And yet this WH still claims there is somewhere out there "a strategy" in play and I keep asking here just where is this so called strategy?

Robert C. Jones

Thu, 01/08/2015 - 8:27am

In reply to by Bill M.

The old rules, the laws on the books, create the virtual seams that non state actors play within. We focus on lines on maps and words in books that have little relevance to the facts of the matters at hand.

Afghanistan was little more than a landlord who rented a house to a person who was a criminal.

Iraq was little more than a bystander who, for good reason did not like us, and laughed when we got kicked in the jimmy.

KSA, Egypt, etc were (are) nations targeted by their own nationalist insurgent movements, and certainly it is no fault of theirs that members of those insurgencies bought into a very reasonable proposition that the key to nationalist change was to first break international support.

We didn't have the right rules, laws or perspectives, so we simplistically lashed out at easy, low-risk targets and treated a massive criminal event as an act of war.

We can't change what we did, but we can draw a strategic lesson or two (though most critics, like LTG Bolger, wallow in the pole vaulting over tactical mouse turds, debating how we could have done the wrong things better, rather than focusing on what the right things should have been) and set a new course for the strategic environment as it actually exists.

We need a middle zone of laws, policy and perspective that recognizes this messy aspect of peace and allows us to better prevent and resolve these dangerous situations that is beyond law enforcement but well below war.

Bill M.

Thu, 01/08/2015 - 6:32am

In reply to by Robert C. Jones

There is another theory on how to deal with non state actors, which is simply to hold sovereign states responsible for controlling their citizens, and if they fail to punish the citizens who attacked us, then hold the state responsible. That is basically what we did in Afghanistan. I think the theory reflects the ideology of those who want to return the illusionary Westphalian system because it is comfortable. The world has changed and there are parallel systems of power outside of states. Declaring war on states to deal with transnational networks misses the point in my view. We made a very expensive problem for ourselves that made the actual problem worse.

Robert C. Jones

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 8:25pm

In reply to by RantCorp

RC,

This is the fundamental problem for states about non-state actors, right? They don't represent a state.

Were most of the 9/11 attackers Saudi citizens? Absolutely. But equally absolutely the were also nationalist insurgents whose primary motivation in life was to take down the house of Saud. They simply bought into bin Laden's message: You can't succeed in your nationalist goals of taking down corrupt regimes at home, unless you first help us to break the will of the US government to protect the same. You help us, and we'll help you.

For the US to bring revenge against the Saudi's simply because of the nationality of the attackers would have been the stupidest move we could have possibly made. We made some dumb moves, but thank God we did not make that one.

The smartest move we could have made was to begin distancing ourselves as the protector of autocratic regimes who had grown so detached from their own populations, and to work as a mediator to bring those governments to the table, not with AQ or the MB, but with leaders from the communities those organizations drew their power and personnel from within.

We made this all about us, and it was never really about us at all.

RantCorp

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 4:28pm

In reply to by Robert C. Jones

RCJ wrote,

'The 9/11 attacks were planned in Florida, California, England, France and Germany equally to Afghanistan.'

I find it curious you failed to pinpoint the homelands of the 19/11 hijackers – KSA (15), UAE (2), Egypt & Lebanon. For the last 50 years you could sit in a shouk in any of those four countries and the gentlest pro-American aside could land you in a mother of all arguments. The bunch of locals who moments earlier were a picture of thoughtful hookah smokers and tea drinkers could very easily turn into a sandal-throwing , hair-pulling raging mob.

IMO a punitive raid that would have sent a message (the purpose of any punitive measure) that the US understood who was ultimately responsible for 9/11 would have had to target the KSA. If not the House of Saud directly then so near that it would seem it to be so. I know that was OBL's intention and he imagined himself as the returning prodigal son. As Savor he would restore the purity of ‘The Land of the Two Mosques ’ blah, blah, blah. But the mind boggles at an attempt to send the Marines in to raid Riyadh!

Needless to say on 9/12 any suggestion of a raid on Riyadh (even if irrefutable evidence justified it) would have been rightly shouted down as the appalling suggestion of a maniac. However 14 years, 5 trillion dollars, 7,000 KIA and 52,000 WIA later I’m not so sure who’d be wearing the straitjacket/s.

Not for a raid perhaps but certainly a palace coup. Even if it failed the message would have been loud and clear - we know who you are and we know where you live.

IMO your suggestion to raid California, despite made in jest, underlines the present circumstances we currently find ourselves in. In attacking AF and Iraq at such tremendous cost we have failed to make any lasting effect on the strategy of those responsible for 9/11. For all the benefit to our security I take your point that we would have been better off raiding California, Britain, France etc.

Folks will argue OBL and some other ‘strategic corporals’ have been taken out. However in the KSA the political dissidence that drives those responsible for 9/11, and much of the conflict since, is stronger than ever.

The gaining strength of Saudi dissidence is borne out by the fact that they have a new 'Prophet' and they've gone one better and created their own country.

Careful what you wish for,

RC

Robert C. Jones

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 6:15am

In reply to by RantCorp

Rant,

You focus on a small point. I don't think that Iraq or Afghanistan needed to be attacked at all. Like I said, these were conflicts of OUR choice. I agree with you, we needed to kick or punch someone, and they the two easy targets. The 9/11 attacks were planned in Florida, California, England, France and Germany equally to Afghanistan - but I don't recall us deciding it was necessary to change any of those regimes (though the case for California is an interesting one... )

My point on punitive expeditions is that sometimes a major power does need to make a point in a very physical way. We have bought so strongly into the idea that what we stand for is right, therefore any who hold opposing views are wrong; that are values are universal, so therefore anybody holding contrary values are wrong; etc - that we too quickly justify that we need to bring people to the light and way of American goodness and do them great favors when we replace their governments and systems of governance with ones designed and approved by us. I hope it is just an awkward phase we are going through, but it does seem to be lingering.

The "sins" of Afghanistan and Iraq were not all that great in regards to 9/11, so any punitive expedition should have been tailored accordingly. My primary points in bringing it up were two. First, because LTG Bolger suggested completely crushing two legs of the social trinity (Government and Army) and then leaving the People to sort it out. Crazy and unnecessary. And two, because it is a tool we have largely taken out of our tool kit. Now we prefer drive by shootings with drones or bombers. Not the same thing. More "the shores of Tripoli"- this sort of thing used to be the bread and butter for the Marines.

RantCorp

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 5:08pm

RCJ wrote,

' ... a carefully tailored punitive expedition designed to punish them for their sins against us,....'

I didn't get the memo on the 'sins' the Iraqis and Afghans had committed against us.

We were not willing to execute a 'tailored punitive expedition' on those responsible for 9/11 in 2001 anymore than we are today.

Our political and military leadership had to beat up on someone so they chose the world's poorest country and the only Arab country that had zero Wahhabi fruitcake within its borders.

We have profound problems within our political and military leadership that are much more serious than a lack of strategic vision. In fact one could argue strategic failure is inevitable if we continue to ignore simple honesty in our decision-making.

RC

thedrosophil

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 8:29am

In reply to by davidbfpo

One of my most frustrated criticisms of American COIN "strategy" (e.g., campaign design) is this obstinate focus on Vietnam, and it appears to be one that LTG Bolger himself has latched onto. If LTG Bolger doesn't understand the wider strategic context behind OIF, then I question whether he understands the wider strategic context behind the result of the Vietnam War (which I've <A HREF="http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/winning-battles-losing-wars">discussed elsewhere here at SWJ</A>), and he doesn't appear to be alone among his peers in that regard. David Johnson of RAND wrote an <A HREF="http://warontherocks.com/2014/01/failure-to-learn-reflections-on-a-care… for War on the Rocks</A> last year, which strikes me as being much better than anything I've seen/heard from LTG Bolger, that describes just how aggressively the Army worked to forget and/or de-contextualize the lessons of Vietnam after 1975, so LTG Bolger's observation about these "educated, experienced senior military men and women who had all studied Vietnam in their service schools" says more than he may have intended. His subsequent statement that "[a]bsent a realistic campaign concept in both countries, wars of attrition developed" seems to be more tactics/campaigning repackaged as "strategy" from a man who doesn't seem to understand the difference. The 2006 edition of FM 3-24 mentions Vietnam sixty times, despite the fact that the COIN campaign in Vietnam wasn't particularly successful; however, it mentions Algeria (in passing) only five or six times, the Philippines Insurrection (in passing) four times, Malaya two or three times, Oman once, and the Soviet-Afghan War not at all. While Bill M. may take me to task for citing "colonial era COIN", and while Vietnam certainly offers relevant lessons (some of which could and should have been applied to Afghanistan and Iraq), other campaigns (including colonial era ones) could have offered more relevant lessons to the conditions peculiar to Afghanistan and Iraq respectively. The fixation on Vietnam by LTG Bolger and his peers, to the detriment of understanding the conflicts at hand and seeking out the best practices from the corpus of literature on the recent history of insurgency, is inconsistent with the need for warrior-scholars, of which Generals Petraeus, Mattis, and McMaster are probably the best contemporary examples (seemingly in stark contrast to the quorum of their peers). Ultimately, the proposition that Afghanistan and Iraq were like-for-like repeats of Vietnam falls apart under closer scrutiny. As far as I'm concerned, LTG Bolger's statement that you cited further undermines his credibility.

davidbfpo

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 4:04pm

Professor John Schindler's review: http://20committee.com/2015/01/06/america-and-the-drive-by-strategy/

He cites LG Bolger: 'The war required a way to use a tactically superb force to contain and attrit terrorist adversaries. In this, America’s generals failed. We found ourselves impaled and bogged down in not one, but two Middle Eastern countries, and this on the best advice of educated, experienced senior military men and women who had all studied Vietnam in their service schools. Over time, piece by piece, the generals recommended slogging onward … Absent a realistic campaign concept in both countries, wars of attrition developed. Some saw it as a failure of imagination'.

Robert C. Jones

Tue, 01/06/2015 - 4:47am

We cannot even define what "winning" is in the current family of conflicts we engage in. How are we then supposed to define "losing"?

But clearly we are not achieving our strategic objectives through the series of military campaigns that we initiated (conflicts of choice, our choice) with the belief that the problem facing our nation was some "threat" we could simply wage "war" against, "defeat" that threat and thereby "win."

That was a simplistic, superficial assessment of the symptoms of the deeper problems of the growing disconnect between how America engaged the world, and growing friction due to how that world was changing from what we wanted the world to be and what the world actually was.

But to some of LTG Bolger's points: Why have we dropped the punitive expedition from our policy tool bag? I cannot rationalize reasons for going to war against Afghanistan or Iraq either one - but both could have used a serious tune-up in the form of a carefully tailored punitive expedition designed to punish them for their sins against us, and to serve as clear warning to others who might also seek to poke the bear in the future.

But one must leave governments in place to live by the lessons one has taught them if they hope for those lessons to have maximum effect. What good to then remove the government one has just "educated"??

But punitive expeditions against Afghanistan and Iraq would not have solved the problem of the growing friction between US foreign policy and a rapidly evolving world. Punitive expeditions against those countries and a focused CT pursuit of AQ would not have resolved the growing friction between the many governments of the Middle East and those segments of their populations reasonably perceiving the status quo of governance to be intolerable and finally, being empowered to do something about it.

AQ was, and is, an opportunist. They had a clearer view of the true nature of strategic environment that we did. They understood the full power, latent within the disaffected Sunni populations across the greater Middle East, and they leveraged and exploited that energy to advance their goals. AQ did not create the Arab Spring, but they recognized the energy behind it. We ignored the clear signs, deluded by our belief that no reasonable population would find fault in a global system designed by the US, for the US. But they do find fault. State actors find fault with that system as well. Rising powers such as Russia, China, Iran and many others chafe at constraints on their own sovereignty in the name of a global system designed to put them at a strategic competitive disadvantage.

No, LTG Bolger did not give us a strategic "ah hah"! with this book. He in his critique of the decisions made and actions taken is no less tactical and superficial than those he targets. He does not offer us a vision that would have taken us to a better place, rather he offers a variation of tactics that would have taken us to a different place.

We do need to be much more intellectually honest about the strategic failure of the past 12 years. This in not a failure of the Bush policy vs the Obama policy - this is a failure equally earned and equally shared. But that equal earning and sharing must also be between our civilian policy makers and the military who crafted seriously flawed concepts for enacting those policies. Plenty of blame to go around, but people only seem to line up to take credit.

The good news is that we are not, and have not, been a nation at war. We are the most powerful nation in a rapidly evolving world and our policy is out of touch. Lets tune up our understanding, let's tune up our policies, and let's tune up our approaches. One can neither win nor lose a war when one is not at war.

If one has to wonder if they have won or lost a war - then that is the clearest metric at all that they were never at war to begin with.

thedrosophil

Mon, 01/05/2015 - 12:39pm

In reply to by Bill C.

Bill C.: I'll not address the bulk of your proposition, as we have discussed it ad nauseum elsewhere. Rather, I will make the observation that I suspect that you've applied more intellectual rigor to your oft-repeated hypothesis than LTG Bolger did to his book.

The previous comment was on another SWJ Blog thread, alongside another four comments: http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/a-3-star-general-explains-why-we-lost-…

Bill C.

Mon, 01/05/2015 - 12:21pm

Given that our enduring political objective (the transformation of outlying states and societies more along modern western political, economic and social lines):

a. Was not achieved in Iraq and Afghanistan via regime change -- plus short-term (less than 50 years) nation-building/COIN. And

b. Was not achieved in Libya, etc., via regime change -- minus nation-building/COIN (of any stripe).

Then should we not look at the problem from a more logical point of view?

This being that we should not -- in the pursuit of our enduring political objective outlined above -- generally consider "regime change" (plus or minus nation-building/COIN) as a normal, reasonable and intelligent course of action?

A proper course of action being, instead, to continue to hammer away at the existing regimes.

Herein to consider that, in this alternative manner (the non-regime change approach) such great nations -- and such great civilizations -- as those of China and the former USSR were recently transformed more along modern western lines.

Thus, re: LTG Bolger's thought -- that we should simply hit them hard and leave -- to add that we should not (except in the most important and extreme cases) attempt regime change via this "hit them hard" process.

In this non-regime change manner to cause:

a. Otherwise oppressive, odious and dangerous regimes to

b. Ultimately embrace the state and societal transformations that we require and to (and this is very important)

c. Have them adopt and implement these changes themselves and

d. Themselves, deal with those that would resist such changes.

(This being what the otherwise oppressive, odious and dangerous regimes of China and the former USSR did via the "other than regime-change" approach to state and societal transformation that we used against these entities.)

Bottom Line:

"Why we lost" to be understood -- not so much in terms of nation-building/COIN or no -- but, rather, in terms of our error in adopting "regime change" as the principal method that we would use to pursue our enduring political objective (outlined in my first paragraph above).

thedrosophil

Mon, 01/05/2015 - 7:41am

I said this on the original SWJ post/review about LTG Bolger's book, but I'll summarize here: I heard LTG Bolger's NPR interview when the book was released, and I wasn't impressed. I did a little bit of research, and learned that the "Strategy Research Project" he wrote for the Army War College wasn't actually about strategy. LTG Bolger apparently sees himself as a new "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell, but at the risk of legitimizing Tom Ricks, LTG Bolger strikes me as precisely the sort of kept-his-nose-clean officer who was promoted beyond his competence. Now, he sees an opportunity to make a name for himself (maybe in preparation for an attempt at a political career?) by throwing his peers under the bus and selling a campaigning-relabeled-as-strategy diatribe to a reader base that doesn't know any better. As such, I won't be investing any time or money in LTG Bolger's book.

thedrosophil

Mon, 01/05/2015 - 7:25am

In reply to by Move Forward

<BLOCKQUOTE>Every senior leader did something that stood out during their career to reach such a senior rank.</BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not sure that's the accepted concensus. My impression is that many, perhaps most, senior leaders reach their positions more from hiding in plain sight than from going out of their way to distinguish themselves.

ratsnakerabbitsnake

Mon, 01/05/2015 - 12:31am

In reply to by Move Forward

I enjoyed reading your comment. I do have one main quibble, though, and that's with the "if you break it, you buy it" argument. I really respect that position, at least in theory, but sometimes I don't think "buying" what's "broke" will actually fix anything. Its nice to think that we can do better, and make things right, but we shouldn't just keep breaking more and more things as we stay and feel good about staying.

Of course, this whole line of thought only gets us so far, because ultimately, some things have been broken long before we've gotten involved. Do we have to buy the Sunni/Shia divide, or maps that weren't drawn to fit the human terrain? I'd be happy if we could fix some of those issues, but we don't own them, and even if we did, ownership doesn't equal thd ability to make positive changes.

Move Forward

Sun, 01/04/2015 - 7:56pm

We should avoid undue criticism of any service leader because we never know the whole story of went on behind the scenes. The pressures these leaders faced over their long careers with many years including combat leadership cannot be understood by most to include my peon self. Every senior leader did something that stood out during their career to reach such a senior rank. However, back on November 11, SWJ published another review of LTG Bolger's book which had this alarming quote:

<blockquote>We could have backed out and left it to the local people to sort it out. It might have been sort of ugly and it might have been sort of unsatisfying. But in both cases, we didn't do that. We decided to stay.</blockquote>

As Colin Powell put it "If you break it, you own it." For someone with a doctorate in history, I wonder how many instances LTG Bolger can point to where it worked to have finished major combat operations and subsequently "backed out and left it to the local people to sort it out." It has worked so well in Libya, Iraq, and Syria after all.

Considering that LTG Bolger was responsible for training forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan, he surely understands the challenges involved in training security forces from scratch. In Afghanistan you had ANSF with multiple languages and ethnicities, major illiteracy, desertion problems, and drug use. Even this article admits that the light Afghan footprint initially resulted in just 35,000 trained ANSF by 2006.

If we had left immediately after the first year of OEF, who truly believes the Taliban would never have returned, Pakistan would not have resumed exerting influence, and Afghan ethnicities and warlords would have found a way to coexist in peace. Just as critically, what would have stopped al Qaeda training and sanctuary from returning.

Likewise, if we had not disbanded the Iraq Army primarily consisting of Sunnis, and a government filled with Baathists, wouldn't a still living Saddam Hussein have found a way to return to power? Does anyone truly believe the Shiites and Sunnis would have sung kumbaya together if we had not been there? No death squads or genocide would have occurred?

No, LTG Bolger, his fellow generals, and other senior uniformed leaders did not screw up these wars. No, "King David" and COIN were not at fault because Joint Security Stations were not even attempted early in the conflict when the worst of the instability was occurring. If the surges were not exclusively the solution, they certainly were not contributing to problems. And even this article mentions that General Shinseki was marginalized after claiming that more forces would be required...and he was right, just as he became the fall guy for the VA whose problems were longstanding.

The truth is advisors to President Bush screwed up by allowing OIF to occur in the first place. Mr Rumsfeld failed to acknowledge an insurgency was starting that needed addressing with a major stability operations force. Advisors to President Obama added to the tragedy of errors by setting dates certain to depart and failing to retain a residual force in Iraq. Moreover, who ever in the State Department determined that prior colonial borders could continued to exist and <strong>any</strong> government could have ruled legitimately in either contrived territory must have been smoking something grown in Afghanistan.

The true strategic solutions to these wars and others involve issues that our current President diametrically opposes. Private sector U.S. fracking and Canadian oil brought to market using the Keystone Pipeline are major solutions to suppressing Russia's defense budget and subsequent aggression. Likewise, energy self-sufficiency ensures that the Middle East cannot exert undue influence on our decision-making. Becoming more energy self-sufficient includes clean coal, nuclear power, and other alternative energies that maintain low energy costs to compete with China and restore U.S. manufacturing. The last thing the U.S. needs is to pay premium dollars to eek out the last bit of carbon dioxide elimination while the Chinese and Indians pollute to their heart's content. Meanwhile, China becomes a major military superpower while we bankrupt ourselves chasing global warming solutions that others are causing.