The Bottom Line On Defense Sequestration: Warfighters Will Die - Forbes Op-Ed by Loren Thompson.
... What the defense secretary is saying is that if defense sequestration stays on track, U.S. forces could be defeated in future wars, and more warfighters than necessary might die. Maybe thousands. Maybe tens of thousands. Why? Because the force will not be trained and equipped to the level required to prevail against technologically advanced adversaries. You know — the kind of adversaries who haven’t been challenging us lately because America’s military has the best training and technology in the world...
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But the saddest I get is when I search retired military or diplomatic names (often Generals) and various companies with operations in the Mid East and South Asia (American, British, Canadian, name your country). Well, here we are, this is the world as it is. No point in despairing, it was always so, I suppose.
<blockquote>Tracking lobbying is hard to do, but to give a sense of the scope of the numbers, Lockheed has reported $22,289,859 in political donations since 1990 and millions in lobbying expenses every year, peaking in 2008 at $16,181,506, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. And that doesn't include what it paid its PR people or the work of defense and aerospace industry advocacy groups or the think tanks those industries fund. As an example of the latter, consider the boldly titled "research study," C-130J: How the Best Military Aircraft Became Even Better, written by Lockheed consultant Loren Thompson and published by the Lexington Institute, which was founded by a Lockheed lobbyist. Of course, the puff piece mentions no affiliations with the company. For these reasons, Dina Rasor of the Project on Government Oversight, which ranks the company #1 on its Federal Contractor Misconduct Database, calls Lockheed "the ultimate pay-to-play contractor."</blockquote>
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/03/lockheed-martins-herculean-…
I don't know. I'm not trying to single anyone out, I do this for everything and everyone if I'm in the mood, I search names and cities and companies on search engines or Google books.
The problem is, the webs are so interconnected within the Western "security elite" world that an outsider can become completely turned around, sometimes too suspicious, other times fooled into complacency. Is there anyone in that world that hasn't served on some BAE "board"?
Why didn't they just shut down VIP transport operations (ya know...those flights used by presidents and congressional types)? There's significant savings there, and it would have been more effective at sending a "message" than the cuts that are targeted at their own people, thus encouraging them to complain to said congressional hacks who caused most of the problems in the first place.
So much of this is about grandstanding and positioning that it's sickening. And that "technologically advanced adversaries" card is a bit ragged. They'd better try to find another one.
<blockquote>Your approach about air pollution and traffic accidents is a completely wrong one. </blockquote>
At one point in your blog you self-subscribe to Liberal Green policies. If these were applied in the U.S., it further would weaken our competitiveness against say for instance the world’s 4th largest economy that spends only 1.5% of GDP or $46 billion on defense. Perhaps your country’s decision after the Japan tsunami to close its nuclear power plants that supplied nearly a quarter of your energy was ill-advised given your lack of earthquake faults. Seems such a decision also makes you more vulnerable to Russians simply cutting off your natural gas if you don’t agree to pay them enough.
You misinterpreted my sarcasm in comparing the deaths from air pollution vs. caused by car accidents. In any event, the air pollution study was largely notional. Air pollution is localized and only problematic in larger urban areas so why should others face the same power-source constraints. California, for instance, has different auto pollution standards than the rest of the nation due to localized problems. If you look at other articles you would discover that in January 2013, Beijing was measured at 900 micrograms per cubic meter (40 times acceptable limit of World Health Organization) while the Chinese government was reporting just 70-80 micrograms. For comparison, London was measured at 13.5 and Los Angeles at 14.8 micrograms in 2008. That seems to imply the problem is far worse in China and far less severe in the U.S. and Europe than the study asserted.
<blockquote>I didn't claim Germany could have stopped the Soviets. I wrote it was standing up against them with a dozen divisions in Central Europe - more than the U.S.Army had there during the Cold War. We defended the U.S. as the U.S. defended us - except we didn't plan to nuke the U.S.</blockquote>
This denial of reality is why Godwin's Law...rebutting a German...does not apply.;) You seem to ignore that other U.S. divisions were planning to arrive and had prepositioned equipment awaiting them. Other aircraft also could have arrived far sooner. Without our nuclear umbrella, there was no MAD mutual deterrent and had we simply stayed isolationists, the USSR could have invaded you effortlessly or used tactical nukes to their heart’s content. A collective NATO defense existed because we spent the money to forward deploy a large presence in Europe, not because we needed Germany to defend us in the U.S.
<blockquote>Your 'nuke in NYC' example is a classic scaremonger favorite. Problem is, it's utterly unrealistic and unlikely. The scenario is near-irrelevant because of its marginal probability.</blockquote>
Today’s headlines report DPRK attempting to smuggle missile components from Cuba through the Panama Canal back home for an upgrade. Pardon my observation that a bomb could just as easily sail the other direction or from Iran or Pakistan with a bomb on board, sailing into NYC or some other city with lead-shielding to preclude detection. Rant Corp has correctly observed that if drugs can be smuggled to the U.S., so can terrorists and their WMD.
<blockquote>More military spending leads to a higher probability of wars of choice and bullying which in turn increases the probability of terrorism. The primitive 'strength = security' assumption is nonsense. It's not even reliable against nation states.</blockquote>
And yet it was imminently reliable for 45 years against Cold War foes and never led to a superpower war of choice started by ourselves or the USSR. It also caused that opponent to spend themselves into nonexistence. In contrast, non-bullied non-state foes chose terror to punish us despite the fact that we freed Muslims from the Soviets in Afghanistan, the Kuwaitis from Hussein in 1991, Balkan Muslims being slaughtered during the mid to late 90s, and had nothing to do with Chechnya aggression by Russia. If it comes down to a choice between having an inadequate response when attacked, or a deterrent and effective response, seems pretty clear which Americans would prefer given our history of minding our own business and still getting attacked or threatened.
Wow, didn't take to you long to fulfil Godwin's law. Your set of associations is in dire need of improvement.
Your strawman argument is worthless. I didn't claim Germany could have stopped the Soviets. I wrote it was standing up against them with a dozen divisions in Central Europe - more than the U.S.Army had there during the Cold War. We defended the U.S. as the U.S. defended us - except we didn't plan to nuke the U.S..
Fact is, I already wrote about the Marshall Plan half a decade ago. Its effectiveness is largely a myth.
http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.de/2008/07/marshall-plan.html
Yeah, I'm confident Germany could have stopped the Soviets on their own...
As you downplay the Cold War, just as Germans were able to downplay or ignore the Holocaust going on around them (I have a half-German wife and very German ancestors), lets see you downplay this:
<blockquote>"The Marshall Plan and other forms of foreign assistance between them cost the United States $17.6 billion (or $120 billion in current value for the Marshall Plan alone)--as we said, the largest voluntary transfer of resources in history. Ten years after the end of the greatest war in history, Western Europe had not only fully recovered but had become far more prosperous and productive than before."</blockquote>
That quote came from this article:
http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/7689
Keep in mind that it was written in 1997 so use your math skills to about double what the $120 billion would be worth today.
Seriously? The Cold War thing?
Americans never seem to remember how a dozen German divisions guarded the West - more than the U.S. did put where it counted the most.
This was the conventional part. As a German, I'm not particularly thankful for having lived for my early life knowing that if it came to war, our "allies" would nuke me (as demonstrated in several wargames).
The U.S.'s Cold War effort was selfish, and the alliance was reciprocal. Germany isn't Iceland.
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Your approach about air pollution and traffic accidents is a completely wrong one. Mixing issues only muddles the water. Stay focused on one issue, decide on a case-by case basis. The valuation/monetarisation of life as an expression of resourcce constraints frees one from the need to compare with any (or all) other cases.
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Your 'nuke in NYC' example is a classic scaremonger favourite. Problem is, it's utterly unrealistic and unlikely. The scenario is near-irrelevant becuase of its marginal probability. And it's again muddling the water.
Besides, it's negatively related with military spending. More military spending leads to a higher probability of wars of choice and bullying which in turn increases the probability of terrorism.
The primitive 'strength = security' assumption is nonsense. It's not even reliable against nation states.
Perhaps the Secretary, Thompson, and you missed the point about costs. For starters, sequestration demands that half the cuts come from only the 17-18% of the federal budget that DoD expends. So obviously, opportunities for additional savings would exist if other federal agencies had to find savings equivalent to what DoD is having to find. Is there a single federal civilian being furloughed outside the DoD? Show me one.
Second, let's apply your cost analysis to another area...say the EPA and coming regulations to try and affect global warming and air pollution. A recent study cited that up to 2.1 million of the world's citizens have their life cut short due to air pollution as measured by some obscure term PM2.5. Sounds serious right? Except read the study and find a chart showing the premature death toll in North America is only 43,000, which is about how many die prematurely each year due to car accidents. Do we want to ban driving like we plan to ban coal?
Meanwhile, East Asia (China) and India had 1,049,000 and 397,000 premature deaths due to smog. Yet no matter how stringent we impose air quality regulations in the U.S., they won't begin to improve conditions in China or India while they are guaranteed to make us less competitive with them in manufacturing and raise our energy costs to heat homes. How many Americans may freeze to death or suffer unnecessarily due to high energy costs?
Look at the overall costs of strangling the U.S. economy attempting to eek out the last bit of clean air. Higher energy costs and fewer jobs are the result which clearly would add up to far more than anything saved from DoD due to sequestration. We spent about $80 billion on Food Stamps last year. How much will that increase with fewer folks working as we limit coal, pipeline building, and drilling on public lands and off shore? Look at the lost tax revenue and higher unemployment costs of fewer folks working.
Now look at the estimated $100 billion that Hurricane Sandy cost the east coast. Imagine instead of your cited 10,000 dead servicemen in the next decade that a terrorist, or DPRK, Iranian, or Pakistani rogue group infiltrates a nuclear device into NYC resulting in over 100,000 dead and trillions in expenses with permanently radiated land unable to be occupied for decades.
Finally, Madhu chastised the military the other day as she sat comfortably in Boston probably making close to half a million annually and contributing to a far higher than inflation medical insurance, MEDICARE, and hospital cost crisis. I researched that a smallish townhouse in Boston costs upwards of $350,000 and no doubt a regular moderate size house probably means at a cost of half a million. So we have major urban areas contributing the most to air pollution, housing inflation, medical costs...and don't forget the Big Dig that by the time interest is paid will cost about $24 billion? How much do we think that California high speed train to nowhere will cost? My Mom recently spent all of $3.50 travelling from northern to southern California on a fancy new bus line. Yet we need that train to put you out in the middle of nowhere?
Before we all start piling onto the military, look around, and don't forget Mr. Fuchs to look at how our country rebuilt yours and protected you from the Soviets for over 65 years at considerable expense.
I remember the U.S. government has guidelines for valuing human life (of its citizen). It's up to about nine million bucks (celebrities and rich people are worth more, of course).
That's how much you spend at most per life you assume to save with your action in the U.S. - be it seawalls, drugs, seatbelt regulation or other policies.
This may sound cynical, but this is a world of scarcity, and paying more than these millions to save one life means to reject saving at least as many lives elsewhere, since all budgets are limited.
Now assume the doomsday claim is true and 10,000 soldiers will die within the next decade if not more is spent on the military (ignoring of course that the military bureaucracy should probably learn to spend cash more efficiently).
10,000 lives - that's 90 billion bucks at most. For a decade. So nine billion bucks annually (ignoring interest rate effects). Assuming a bad case and the upper boundary of valuations. It could also be 4 billion and 0.4 billion using the other extremes. Or zero.
I am sure Mr. Thompson thought his "(...)thousands. Maybe tens of thousands" point would be strong enough to justify a bigger spending increase. It doesn't - even if we assume he's correct about the consequences.
Again, this may sound cynical, but it's simply realistic. A common problem in the U.S. is that too much is not being done that should be done while astonishingly many resources are being poured into the military. It's only natural that even the slightest attempt to make a rational calculation about mil spending confirms this.