https://mwi.usma.edu/mwi-podcast-proxies-and-american-strategy-in-africa/
From the team at the Irregular Warfare podcast, who interview Maj. Gen. Marcus Hicks, who served as the commander of Special Operations Command Africa from 2017 to 2019, and Dr. Eli Berman, co-editor of the book Proxy Wars: Suppressing Violence through Local Agents.
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